The websites are in a sorry state.

[camping]

The websites are in a sorry state.

[DaveEveritt]

Hi pygy

these are the product of a long-forgotten discussion and debate. Jenna
(Bluebie) is responsible for camping.rubyforge.org - personally I like
the design and the neat font trick, but the complex markup (or
something) does slow it up a bit.

whywentcamping.judofyr.net is a bit legacy, replaced (IIRC) by the
above. A fix should be simple, but I can't recall whether it's open to
be maintained by the community...

http://ruby-camping.com is the work of Philippe Monnet (techarch),
which led to Bluebie's design reaction :-)

I don't think Camping will ever have a Sinatra-like website, because
it has the kind of following that's likely to produce all sorts of
styles and approaches. Although we all seem to get on okay, judging by
the previous discussion on this subject we'd probably ever agree on a
definitive 'Camping website. Although camping.rubyforge.org should be
it (maybe we could have a 'no graphics' alternative at some point :-)

DaveE

camping.rubyforge.org / whywentcamping.com

• is unreadable because of a missing background.
• scrolling is dog slow
• the site is uglier than whywentcamping.judofyr.net. The theme of
  the homepage clashes with the rest of the site (book, API).

whywentcamping.judofyr.net gives 404 for /reference and /news.

http://ruby-camping.com/ adds little and dilutes the web presence.
Furthermore, the white rectangle behind the menu is too short, the
'Documentation' link sticks out.

All graphic problems are experienced in Chrome on OS X 10.6.

[pygy]

I remember the ordeal, actually, I was there.

It's a matter of taste, I still find that _why's design is the best fit for the library. It could be (and probably was) a Camping app as light as the examples provided with the lib.

Jenna's font trick is impressive, but the menu is unreadable, and I find the design distracting. The lack of consistency is also problematic, IMO.

Whatever happens, camping.rubyforge.net should still be repaired. The CSS is too complex for me, otherwise I would have provided a patch.

[DaveEveritt]

Agreed about the Camping page on Rubyforge (http://rubyforge.org/projects/camping/). Magnus - who can update this? As for the rest, a couple of issues have been reported in Chrome, so these need to be done at some point (I'm happy with CSS and will have a bit of time in a month or so if Jenna's not already fixed them).

[tjohns]

As a side note, I wanted to try fixing the missing background on http://camping.rubyforge.org, but couldn't find where the source code was checked in.

I also just discovered http://camping.io, which has the same background issues.

It really would be nice if the source code for whatever becomes the "official" camping website is was checked into Github so anybody can contribute.

[DaveEveritt]

The website is in transition, but Jenna has a gh-pages branch at https://github.com/camping/camping.io/tree/gh-pages - so for the background fix you could fork the relevant file(s) from the gh-pages branch and edit...

[Bluebie]

Hey cool! Chrome broke camping.io's background in one of their silent automatic updates! You know where it used to look great? In chrome. :(

Sorry guys, I didn't notice as I'd not seen this issue, and I'm not a Chrome user myself. The site still works in Safari. I have no idea what's wrong. Probably some bugs introduced by the chrome team to do with border-image. I'll let a friend of mine who works on chrome know, and ask if he has any ideas.

[Bluebie]

BTW I only have access to camping.io (as far as I know?) Everything else is someone else's problem. I'll accept any patches for camping.io that fix it. I'll look in to solving this too, but I have not got much time for camping lately. If I don't respond on github poke me via email or @Bluebie on twitter and it'll get sorted ASAP.

[Bluebie]

P.P.S. If you don't like the design, make a better one. I quite like mine (at least how it renders in Safari and Firefox, and used to in Chrome). It could stand load quicker too, if people want to keep using this design. Everything seems to have kind of fallen through on a new site. Someone needs to take the lead on that one. I'd be happy to help, but I just don't have time to be a site project leader.

Are we keeping this website or is someone making a new better one?

[Bluebie]

Background image issue is fixed in chrome now on camping.io. By some miracle (or horror?) my good friend answered my call to help on a sunday afternoon, and the site is now all better in Chrome. Yes, the scrolling is bad on rubyforge version. I can't fix that. Judofyr probably can, but I think we should focus our efforts on the totally awesome and somewhat expensive domain camping.io! It's short and punchy and cloud ready! Regardless what content is on that domain (someone want to make some?) we should shut off all the others and redirect them to the one central site. To do otherwise is sloppy.

Thanks for the emergency Sunday help @nornagon!

[brettchalupa]

I am going to close this issue, simply because camping.io looks good and works.