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janeadams avatar janeadams commented on June 27, 2024 1

Are we sure that there should be volumes specified at all? I think that all TVCG should be included; if a full paper is submitted directly to TVCG on the rolling deadline instead of the conference deadline, it still goes through the same reviewing process and is presented at the conference the following year. For example, just from a quick scan:

EDIT to add: You can also see numerous papers listed directly on the IEEE VIS site as key example papers of the caliber/type accepted to the conference which don't have volume numbers reflected in the list, like this one (26(11)), this one (25(3)), and this one (23(9)).

From what I can tell, the TVCG edition increments by 1 each year (so 2024 should be vol. 30), and the second number shouldn't matter at all. I think a large swath of VIS research is being excluded because of this.

Thanks for your rapid attention, this is a wonderful resource

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mcorrell avatar mcorrell commented on June 27, 2024 1

I can at least confirm that Volume 30, Issue 1 is the issue of TVCG the contains the papers submitted to IEEE VIS 2023 along with other usual conference proceedings material. As your post-2016 data suggests, the plan is to continue making the first issue of TVCG the IEEE VIS proceedings issue for the foreseeable future, with the caveats about other sources of IEEE VIS content mentioned above.

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emeryberger avatar emeryberger commented on June 27, 2024

Not a bug but a feature. Only full-length publications published in the CSrankings conferences (click the triangles on the left side) count.

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janeadams avatar janeadams commented on June 27, 2024

I don't think this is correct -- for example, for IEEE VIS, these authors definitely have more than this number of full papers published
Screenshot 2024-05-08 154442

If you filter to only show IEEE VIS and then click the dblp entries for any prof, you'll see that the number of full conference papers far exceeds the listed number in csrankings

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janeadams avatar janeadams commented on June 27, 2024

Oh I figured out the issue -- IEEE VIS publishes all its full papers in TVCG. So full papers for IEEE VIS don't count at all toward the metric -- despite IEEE VIS being the premiere visualization conference in our field. So all you're seeing is vis short papers in the tally I think. This makes the CS rankings for the whole field of vis not very useful/accurate.

Edit to add: it goes the other direction too -- anything published in TVCG is presented as a full paper at VIS the following year. So TVCG is functionally the conference proceedings for VIS.

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emeryberger avatar emeryberger commented on June 27, 2024

It counts TVCG papers from a specific volume for VIS, though it looks like it's missing 2024; if you can confirm that it is still volume 1, I will update. From util/csrankings.py:

TVCG_Vis_Volume = {
    2023: (29, 1),
    2022: (28, 1),
    2021: (27, 2),
    2020: (26, 1),
    2019: (25, 1),
    2018: (24, 1),
    2017: (23, 1),
    2016: (22, 1),
    2014: (20, 12),
    2013: (19, 12),
    2012: (18, 12),
    2011: (17, 12),
    2010: (16, 6),
    2009: (15, 6),
    2008: (14, 6),
    2007: (13, 6),
    2006: (12, 5),
}

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emeryberger avatar emeryberger commented on June 27, 2024

My understanding (possibly out of date!) is that different volumes of TVCG correspond to either VIS or VR. For example: (also note that I should have said issue # and not volume)

# TVCG special handling to count only IEEE VR
TVCG_VR_Volume = {
    2023: (29, 5),
    2022: (28, 5),
    2021: (27, 5),
    2020: (26, 5),
    2019: (25, 5),
    2018: (24, 4),
    2017: (23, 4),
    2016: (22, 4),
    2015: (21, 4),
    2014: (20, 4),
    2013: (19, 4),
    2012: (18, 4),
}

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janeadams avatar janeadams commented on June 27, 2024

Ah yes it does seem to be more complex than I knew. I'm told that this is the best resource for all papers: https://sites.google.com/site/vispubdata/data-details

But I'm not sure how best to map that back to CSrankings given how many edge cases appear here

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