"super advanced" Actions behave differently from static ones.

[galaxykate]

"super advanced" Actions behave differently from static ones.

[dranorter]

I've run into something this issue actually prevents me from doing. I'm trying to have a generated narrative remember what the hero is trying to accomplish, but the hero's goal is a list of alternatives like "money, riches, treasure" or "medicine, a cure". Since the nested narratives have different goals, I need to rename "quest" to "quest2" to keep it from being forgotten. But if I use something like "#[quest2:#quest#]tellStory#", of course that just picks one element from the list. So really what I'm wanting at the moment is a way to wrap "quest", keeping it from being evaluated; or something like #quest.rulesList# which would evaluate to the list "money, riches, treasure" for example.

The thing is, I can't seem to find a viable workaround. Here are several attempts to get around the problem:

{
   "origin": ["#[#setVars#]thepattern#","#[#setVars#]thePatternWrapper#","#[settings:#setVars#]smarterWrapper#",
             "#[settings:#setVars#]evenSmarterWrapper#"],
   "thepattern": ["#one#, #one#, #one#, #one# ..(thepattern).. #two#, #two#, #two#, #two#"],
   "thepattern2": ["#one2#, #one2#, #one2#, #one2# ...(thepattern2)... #two2#, #two2#, #two2#, #two2#"],
   "thepattern3": ["#one3#, #one3#, #one3#, #one3# ....(thepattern3).... #two3#, #two3#, #two3#, #two3#"],
   "thepattern4": ["#one4#, #one4#, #one4#, #one4# .....(thepattern4)..... #two4#, #two4#, #two4#, #two4#"],
   "thePatternWrapper": ["#[one2:#one#][two2:#two#]thepattern2#"],
   "smarterWrapper": ["#[#settings#]smarterWrapperHelper#"],
   "smarterWrapperHelper":["#[one3:#one#][two3:#two#]thepattern3#"],
   "evenSmarterWrapper": ["#[#settings.replace(one, one4).replace(two, two4)#]thepattern4#"],
   "setVars": ["#setOne##setTwo#","[one:plane, car, road, boat, vacation][two:kiss, wedding, date, longing gaze, heart, cuddle]"],
   "setOne": ["[one:yes, no, maybe, try again, reply hazy]","[one:cat, dog, horse, bird, puppet, seahorse, fish, espionage]","[one:1, 2, 3, 4, 5]","[one:many, some, multitudes, a number]"],
   "setTwo": ["[two:ufo, pyramid, greek fire, bigfoot, Barney]","[two:life, taxes, free will, morality, missing socks, calculus]","[two:into, under, out of, between, within, acquitted of]"]
}

"thePattern" does what I'm trying to do, but isn't protecting the variables, so it would lose them if I recursively called "thePattern". The rest of them prematurely collapse "one" and "two" down to one possibility.

The results look like this:

no, no, no, no ...(thepattern2)... between, between, between, between
some, some, many, many ..(thepattern).. out of, acquitted of, out of, between
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
vacation, vacation, vacation, vacation ...(thepattern2)... cuddle, cuddle, cuddle, cuddle
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
car, boat, plane, plane ..(thepattern).. date, cuddle, kiss, longing gaze
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
road, road, road, road ...(thepattern2)... kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss
multitudes, multitudes, multitudes, multitudes ....(thepattern3).... calculus, calculus, calculus, calculus
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
a number, a number, a number, a number ...(thepattern2)... calculus, calculus, calculus, calculus
road, road, road, road ...(thepattern2)... kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
plane, plane, plane, plane ....(thepattern3).... date, date, date, date
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
plane, road, plane, boat ..(thepattern).. longing gaze, kiss, date, wedding
seahorse, dog, bird, puppet ..(thepattern).. under, out of, out of, within
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4))
2, 2, 2, 2 ....(thepattern3).... into, into, into, into
5, 5, 5, 5 ...(thepattern2)... life, life, life, life

I really can't figure out why the "evenSmarterWrapper" approach (pattern4) didn't work! Shouldn't the "replace()" change the names before the text is even evaluated? Come to think of it, though, that method wouldn't offer any protection if I was doing recursion.

A second feature that would help me out here would be double evaluation. I could have symbols like "treasure" and "cure" hold their possible paraphrasings, and keep a symbol "quest" which simply evaluates to the text "treasure" or the text "cure"; and then I could write ##quest## and get what I want.

[galaxykate]

I'm afraid that the answer may be a bug in the Tracery code. Saving lists of things was a bit of an afterthought, so there may well be incorrect behavior in that. I haven't looked at that iteration of Tracery in a year or so, so I can't really help you there. I am working on a new version of Tracery right now, but I'm not sure if I'll get it done by this week. Is it possible for you to perform a workaround, where you set these variables dynamically with javascript before the story starts? Often the best way to do very complex stuff with tracery a hybrid approach, do some manipulations of the grammar *before* generation, etc.

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On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 6:23 PM, dranorter ***@***.***> wrote: I've run into something this issue actually prevents me from doing. I'm trying to have a generated narrative remember what the hero is trying to accomplish, but the hero's goal is a list of alternatives like "money, riches, treasure" or "medicine, a cure". Since the nested narratives have different goals, I need to rename "quest" to "quest2" to keep it from being forgotten. But if I use something like "#[quest2:#quest#]tellStory#", of course that just picks one element from the list. So really what I'm wanting at the moment is a way to wrap "quest", keeping it from being evaluated; or something like #quest.rulesList# which would evaluate to the list "money, riches, treasure" for example. The thing is, I can't seem to find a viable workaround. Here are several attempts to get around the problem: { "origin": ["#[#setVars#]thepattern#","#[#setVars#]thePatternWrapper#","#[settings:#setVars#]smarterWrapper#", "#[settings:#setVars#]evenSmarterWrapper#"], "thepattern": ["#one#, #one#, #one#, #one# ..(thepattern).. #two#, #two#, #two#, #two#"], "thepattern2": ["#one2#, #one2#, #one2#, #one2# ...(thepattern2)... #two2#, #two2#, #two2#, #two2#"], "thepattern3": ["#one3#, #one3#, #one3#, #one3# ....(thepattern3).... #two3#, #two3#, #two3#, #two3#"], "thepattern4": ["#one4#, #one4#, #one4#, #one4# .....(thepattern4)..... #two4#, #two4#, #two4#, #two4#"], "thePatternWrapper": ["#[one2:#one#][two2:#two#]thepattern2#"], "smarterWrapper": ["#[#settings#]smarterWrapperHelper#"], "smarterWrapperHelper":["#[one3:#one#][two3:#two#]thepattern3#"], "evenSmarterWrapper": ["#[#settings.replace(one, one4).replace(two, two4)#]thepattern4#"], "setVars": ["#setOne##setTwo#","[one:plane, car, road, boat, vacation][two:kiss, wedding, date, longing gaze, heart, cuddle]"], "setOne": ["[one:yes, no, maybe, try again, reply hazy]","[one:cat, dog, horse, bird, puppet, seahorse, fish, espionage]","[one:1, 2, 3, 4, 5]","[one:many, some, multitudes, a number]"], "setTwo": ["[two:ufo, pyramid, greek fire, bigfoot, Barney]","[two:life, taxes, free will, morality, missing socks, calculus]","[two:into, under, out of, between, within, acquitted of]"] } "thePattern" does what I'm trying to do, but isn't protecting the variables, so it would lose them if I recursively called "thePattern". The rest of them prematurely collapse "one" and "two" down to one possibility. The results look like this: no, no, no, no ...(thepattern2)... between, between, between, between some, some, many, many ..(thepattern).. out of, acquitted of, out of, between ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) vacation, vacation, vacation, vacation ...(thepattern2)... cuddle, cuddle, cuddle, cuddle ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) car, boat, plane, plane ..(thepattern).. date, cuddle, kiss, longing gaze ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) road, road, road, road ...(thepattern2)... kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss multitudes, multitudes, multitudes, multitudes ....(thepattern3).... calculus, calculus, calculus, calculus ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) a number, a number, a number, a number ...(thepattern2)... calculus, calculus, calculus, calculus road, road, road, road ...(thepattern2)... kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) plane, plane, plane, plane ....(thepattern3).... date, date, date, date ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) plane, road, plane, boat ..(thepattern).. longing gaze, kiss, date, wedding seahorse, dog, bird, puppet ..(thepattern).. under, out of, out of, within ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)), ((one4)) .....(thepattern4)..... ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)), ((two4)) 2, 2, 2, 2 ....(thepattern3).... into, into, into, into 5, 5, 5, 5 ...(thepattern2)... life, life, life, life I really can't figure out why the "evenSmarterWrapper" approach (pattern4) didn't work! Shouldn't the "replace()" change the names before the text is even evaluated? Come to think of it, though, that method wouldn't offer any protection if I was doing recursion. A second feature that would help me out here would be double evaluation. I could have symbols like "treasure" and "cure" hold their possible paraphrasings, and keep a symbol "quest" which simply evaluates to the text "treasure" or the text "cure"; and then I could write ##quest## and get what I want. — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#31 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACYbFfCCG5xOzYov4lUOvDVmUcnlpRO2ks5rCOm8gaJpZM4K8zI5> .

[dranorter]

Ah, it's good to hear that you're not sure about that! :) I'll be sure to play with the new features when they come.

I suppose with what I'm doing right now, I really could just put in words like TREASURE that get replaced with something more descriptive later. Or even things like VILLAGEOFCEEDODRIN where "ceedodrin" is a word Tracery makes up for me.

Either way, it's not a big deal. I decided to do NaNoGenMo just two days ago. Well-- I decided to do it back in December of 2015, but then I'd forgotten it existed until two days ago. My project is just an elaboration on the "nested story" idea from the Tracery tutorial.