Github is not humane tech. Move this to a freedom-respecting place

[humanetech-community]

Github is not humane tech. Move this to a freedom-respecting place

[aschrijver]

Thank you for this elaborate reasoning why this list should not be on Github. Really appreciate the effort and your dedication to fight for our freedoms.

For the most part I wholly agree with the points you make. This list was created before MS acquisition and part of the also GH-based awesome top-level project, but those are not valid reasons to stay here, of course. But reasons that are, imho (speaking as facilitator of the Humane Tech Community):

• On Github this list reaches the attention of the largest developer base on the planet (who have centralized themselves on this platform), many of whom have never heard of the term 'humane technology' but really should make this concept part of their mindset when developing new software.

• The list fortunately contains ever more projects that live in other, better code forges. Something I make visible by showing the code repo logo's. This serves to raise awareness for existing GH devs about the existence of alternatives, where most of them never heard of most of these before.

So all-in-all this is a bit comparable to a #DeleteFacebook campaign which is most effective when directly targeting FB users. For the time being we are here to stay, but if you want to PR a 2-way sync with a Codeberg repo, then I am all ears :)

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On a personal level I am actively promoting alternatives too. I self-host Gitea, plus own a Codeberg account. With regards to breaking walled gardens I am an advocate of ForgeFed and the fediverse in general, where I operate @humanetech and maintain the Feneas research wiki.

Furthermore (unrelated to our Humane Tech Community) I created an alternative to the top-level awesome project at Codeberg, called the delightful project that is exclusively for FOSS, Open Data and Open Science resources. I hereby encourage anyone to become a delightful contributor and create their own curated list in this space :)

PS. It is a bit of a spare time issue (all my efforts are volunteering), but I intend to start a 'delightful-humane-design' list. Maybe I'll just create this already even if I lack the time to hunt for much great content yet.

[xloem]

@aschrijver it sounds like it's unpleasant to you to consider changing?

For others, another alternative is githide which is in onionspace @bruceleerabbit http://githidep2hynhdmutuv7n2tei4iie2c7lyqz5fes3r5zzoxe5dshtxyd.onion/ can only be accessed over the tor anonymity network which keeps developers safer.

[aschrijver]

FYI I decided to just create the delightful-humane-design list already, and here is the URL: https://codeberg.org/teaserbot-labs/delightful-humane-design

[xloem]

For the most part I wholly agree with the points you make. This list was created before MS acquisition and part of the also GH-based awesome top-level project, but those are not valid reasons to stay here, of course. But reasons that are, imho (speaking as facilitator of the Humane Tech Community):
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if you want to PR a 2-way sync with a Codeberg repo, then I am all ears :)

@aschrijver it sounds like this suggestion is welcomed if somebody will do the work to set up syncing. What do the repository administrators need help with to set up syncing? (I didn't know syncing needed any git commits that would go in a PR to set up, but I'm kind of new to the awesome-list norm).

Should this issue be reopened if there's a welcome path to address it?

[aschrijver]

Hi @xloem thank you.

Given my time constraints and the fact that awesome vs. delightful project have different rules and style, I think I'll leave it at current division with awesome-humane-tech part of awesome list collections on Github and the delightful-humane-design subset of humane technology being managed by me on Codeberg where the delightful project has its home.

[xloem]

@aschrijver what would you need from the rest of us to reconsider your decision?

[aschrijver]

Thank you for your kind offer of help! I think right now the current set up works fine. Besides the things I listed before, the popularity of github has this list visited by people not aware of all the alternatives that exists outside of this walled garden. The list serves to make them aware of the alternative, better world (in the 'Related awesomeness' section, among other).

If you are interested to set up and maintain a delightful list yourself, then you are of course most welcome to do so :)

[bruceleerabbit]

@xloem That onion site has apparently died. But there is a directory of forges here