Fatpack the webmention listener

[jmacdotorg]

Fatpack the webmention listener

[jmacdotorg]

To get a better idea of your specific use-case here:

You're interested in your blog receiving webmentions, but less thrilled about having to run an HTTP listener?

[iarna]

No, I'm fine with having a listener.

I'm less than thrilled about having to clone a project and install a bunch of Perl modules.

Having it as available as a cpan distribution would mitigate some of this, as it'd make the deploy on the server easier, but I'd prefer to not have to install anything globally on my servers. If it were available as a stand alone bin, I could just put that in my blog dir have it synced across with the rest of the site content.

(If I were syncing a git clone, that wouldn't be available, because syncing wouldn't get dependencies, I'd still have to install the cpanfile any time it changed.)

The sum-up is that if at all possible, I don't install anything globally on my servers if I can possibly avoid it. Node has kind of spoiled me in that respect, as there's no such thing as a global module.

[jmacdotorg]

I'm less than thrilled about having to clone a project and install a bunch of Perl modules.

Other than its cpanfile being a little longer, I'm not sure how 1.6 (which introduced webmention support) differs from previous versions in this regard? (If you mean that you don't like that Plerd has ever required CPAN downloads at all, then that's a different matter... but you stated with this issue that something changed with 1.6, and I'm still uncertain about that.)

The sum-up is that if at all possible, I don't install anything globally on my servers if I can possibly avoid it.

Not sure what you mean by "globally". Do you mean "available system-wide, for all users on the machine"?

[taskboy3000]

For the record, plenv has worked well for me and plerd. Less hassle than perlbrew. — Joe Johnston

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On Aug 24, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Jason McIntosh ***@***.***> wrote: I'm less than thrilled about having to clone a project and install a bunch of Perl modules. Other than its cpanfile being a little longer, I'm not sure how 1.6 (which introduced webmention support) differs from previous versions in this regard? (If you mean that you don't like that Plerd has ever required CPAN downloads at all, then that's a different matter... but you stated with this issue that something changed with 1.6, and I'm still uncertain about that.) The sum-up is that if at all possible, I don't install anything globally on my servers if I can possibly avoid it. Not sure what you mean by "globally". Do you mean "available system-wide, for all users on the machine"? — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

[iarna]

Other than its cpanfile being a little longer, I'm not sure how 1.6 (which introduced webmention support) differs from previous versions in this regard?

I've never had any plerd on my servers at all.

I'm fine with plerd having dependencies on my laptop.

Not sure what you mean by "globally". Do you mean "available system-wide, for all users on the machine"?

I mean "system-wide, for all software on the machine". I only have one user. =p

Basically I'm trying to reduce the amount of sysadmin I have to do in order to support plerd. Having to install modules on the server or use plenv or perlbrew constitutes sysadmin that I'd rather not do.

[jmacdotorg]

I've never had any plerd on my servers at all.

Oh!! I get it now. You're not the first person to tell me that they've used Plerd (modulo webmention) as an entirely local install, but you may be the second, so this use-case didn't occur to me without further explanation. (I have always run the scripts server-side!)

I hear you now. That is a very interesting perspective, thank you.

On the CPAN front: Would it be good news to you if typing cpanm Plerd on the server as a non-root user did everything you needed to do, for both installing and upgrading Plerd and its dependencies, without having to mess around separately with perlbrew or plenv? (I think that would be a reasonable goal for me to achieve, without sounding terribly naive...)

[taskboy3000]

As mentioned, I run this on my server using plenv to isolate plerd in its own world. Arguably, docker might be a good fit for deloying plerd as well.

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On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Jason McIntosh ***@***.***> wrote: I've never had any plerd on my servers at all. Oh!! I get it now. You're not the first person to tell me that they've used Plerd (modulo webmention) as an entirely local install, but you may be the second, so this use-case didn't occur to me without further explanation. (I have always run the scripts server-side!) I hear you now. That is a very interesting perspective, thank you. On the CPAN front: Would it be good news to you if typing cpanm Plerd on the server as a non-root user did everything you needed to do, for both installing and upgrading Plerd and its dependencies, without having to mess around separately with perlbrew or plenv? (I think that would be a reasonable goal for me to achieve, without sounding terribly naive...) — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread.

[jmacdotorg]

@taskboy3000, Rebecca specifically said in her response that she would rather avoid setting up plenv (or building other system-administration environments) just for Plerd's sake, and I find that a fair desire.

It might be nice to start collecting different deployment styles on a wiki page or whatnot, if you wanted to note your own pattern someplace.

[jmacdotorg]

Closing this issue with b63afc9, which removes the webmention listener from Plerd.