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kieranjol avatar kieranjol commented on July 27, 2024

Just checking back to see if any users or Jerome have any opinion on using this flag for all future rawcooked jobs?

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digitensions avatar digitensions commented on July 27, 2024

Hi Kieran, we use this option at present. This encoding command is only activated in the scripts when a regular encoding fails with messages 'Error: undecodable file is becoming too big.' or 'Error: the reversibility file is becoming big.'

I see what you are saying about leaving it on all the time. This flag forces the software to add the attachment after encoding. Not something I would choose to do - if it extends encoding, particularly now we are moving into a permanent 4K workflow.

That said, I understand there are plans to merge this feature into the --all command at some point, defer to @JeromeMartinez regarding this though. Obviously, if that happens we won't require this check or use of the --output-version 2 command.

We still get a lot of non-zero padding making large reversibility data files so need it in any future releases if not merged into --all.

Cheers!

P.S. Awesome that you're RAWcooking again! :)

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kieranjol avatar kieranjol commented on July 27, 2024

Thanks Joanna! Does adding it as an attachment after encoding extend the rawcooking time by much? I hadn’t factored this in at all.
I’d considered taking your approach with only triggering the option if it failed with those errors, but the error might occur many hours into the encode, and I’m not using watchfolders, just seq2ffv1, so I was considering just leaving it on all the time instead…

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digitensions avatar digitensions commented on July 27, 2024

I don't know if it extends time to be honest Kieran. This isn't something I have measured, as my time is elsewhere at the moment. I assumed it must, but it could be next to nothing. Definitely something to ask @JeromeMartinez I think. If not, then like you we could just leave this flag on in retrospect.

I have to split some DPX sequences soon for some '--check' tests I want to run, so I can see if it adds anything to encoding time then!

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kieranjol avatar kieranjol commented on July 27, 2024

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JeromeMartinez avatar JeromeMartinez commented on July 27, 2024

I'm wondering about any risks involved in just leaving this option turned on all the time when automating workflows.

@digitensions and another customer are using it for a while, I expect that this is stable now. But "all the time" means that an old version of RAWcooked will not be able to revert to DPX, if fine for you, well use the option all the time.

We still plan to do an automatic move from v1 to v2 so no need to start again the analysis, but not yet done.

That said, I understand there are plans to merge this feature into the --all command at some point,

I don't know yet, I think that the automatic change will be enough for some time, the time that all users switch to a version of RAWcooked supporting the format v2.

Thanks Joanna! Does adding it as an attachment after encoding extend the rawcooking time by much?

format v1 and v2 have the same time, it is just a matter about where is the reversibility content.

My main worry was just that adding this flag for everything was dangerous in some unknown way.

In theory there is no regression, in theory... :), use --check for being sure!
The only issue I see is the compatibility with older versions of RAWcooked.

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digitensions avatar digitensions commented on July 27, 2024

Brilliant, thank you for confirming Jérôme, and yes happy to compare notes Kieran!

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kieranjol avatar kieranjol commented on July 27, 2024

I don’t see any issue with an older rawcooked not being able to work, thanks both for clarifying this! @hyz2993 we should be able to safely add this to seq2ffv1 it seems!

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