Tachi: Gekko has no resistance check on silence. If a mob is immune to silence, or very resistant - it still lands 100% of the time.

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Tachi: Gekko has no resistance check on silence. If a mob is immune to silence, or very resistant - it still lands 100% of the time.

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Comment by Jupiter065
Saturday Jun 06, 2015 at 23:05 GMT

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Also the silence on Guillotine

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Comment by Kthulupwns
Saturday Jun 06, 2015 at 23:06 GMT

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I wonder if flat blade or the club stun does the same thing

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Comment by TeoTwawki
Sunday Jun 07, 2015 at 00:07 GMT

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In retail you actually can land a gekko silence on some of the mobs that you cannot land the spell silence on without extreme difficulty/circumstances. I think thats because it's bypassing part of the resist math used for spells since it isn't one (their meva ?) rather than bypassing true immunity though, so pretty sure still something to fix here, just thought I'd mention that it doesn't work exactly the same.

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Comment by dazusu
Sunday Jun 07, 2015 at 08:43 GMT

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Teo, do you have any sources for that? From my 11 years playing on
retail, I don't recall a single monster you can silence using Gekko
where the monster has native silence immunity. This includes regular
monsters, aswell as HNM and NM. Looking forward to information on that.

In addition, Gekko has no resist calculation /at all/. The duration of
Gekko's silence is at minimum reduced by checking resistence, and if a
monster is immune - it's immune.

On 07/06/2015 01:07, TeoTwawki wrote:

In retail you actually /can/ land a gekko silence on some of the mobs
that you cannot land the spell silence on. I think thats because it's
bypassing part of the resist math used for spells since it isn't one
(their meva ?) rather than bypassing true immunity though, so pretty
sure still something to fix here, just thought I'd mention that it
doesn't work exactly the same.

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Comment by dazusu
Sunday Jun 07, 2015 at 08:50 GMT

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"In retail you actually can land a gekko silence on some of the mobs that you cannot land the spell silence on"

Would imply if you cannot land silence, then the mob is immune (as that is the very definition). If I misread it, then I apologise.

Either way; resistant mobs should see Gekko's silence duration reduced; and immunity should be just that.

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Comment by TeoTwawki
Sunday Jun 07, 2015 at 08:53 GMT

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.."rather than bypassing true immunity though, so pretty sure still something to fix here, just thought I'd mention that it doesn't work exactly the same." Is implying actually saying I didn't at all think it was bypassing immunity on retail.

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Comment by TeoTwawki
Sunday Jun 07, 2015 at 08:59 GMT

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"Cannot land" and being "immune" aren't the same thing. Things you could never ever land a spell on back in 2004 because of massive resistance even with max +enfeeble skill and ele seal can now nailed from greatly increased macc from newer gear or simply by repeat casts eroding their resistance, but were never truly immune. Hence my use of the phrasing "cannot land". I have edited my previous comment to try and prevent further misunderstanding next time someone reads this.

"cannot land the spell silence on without extreme difficulty/circumstances." Good enough?

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Comment by Hozu
Monday Jun 08, 2015 at 18:28 GMT

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re: Tachi: Kasha - the para proc rate is also absurdly powerful (25%). Compare it to the tested para proc rate of Blade: Metsu at 10%.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Blade:_Metsu

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Comment by maxtherabbit
Thursday Jun 25, 2015 at 22:07 GMT

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can anyone verify that the WS will apply the effect if the mob is actually immune on DSP? looking at the code it should not

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Comment by Hozu
Friday Jun 26, 2015 at 02:34 GMT

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It does not. I used Shockwave on a Hecteyes that was immune to sleep and it didn't sleep it.

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Comment by TeoTwawki
Saturday Jun 27, 2015 at 01:13 GMT

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hozu shockwave is kind of borked last I knew, fails to sleep mobs because its own damage wakes them in the same action.

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Comment by Hozu
Saturday Jun 27, 2015 at 01:18 GMT

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Oh really? That's slightly amusing. Uh, let me think... I believe that using Tachi: Gekko on Gotoh Dha the Redolent doesn't silence it, since it's set to have silence immunity.

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Comment by bendangelo
Sunday Sep 20, 2015 at 07:19 GMT

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Weaponskills that add status effects should be using the applyResistance methods. Someones gonna have to go through all the skills and fix them. I think a new applyResistance just for weapon skills might have to be made as well.