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jeff-zucker avatar jeff-zucker commented on May 28, 2024 2

My understanding from people who are involved in gender issues is that "preferred pronouns" has connotations of calling gender a chosen "lifestyle" rather than an in-born part of someone's identity. So just "pronouns".

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ThisIsMissEm avatar ThisIsMissEm commented on May 28, 2024 2

Yeah, they're just pronouns, perhaps also avoid the "object" vocab here too though, people aren't "objects".. though I'm not sure what would be clearer

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TallTed avatar TallTed commented on May 28, 2024 2

re #79 (comment) -- Sure, those last 3 are probably sufficient.

re #79 (comment) -- SolidOS and PodBrowser should have issues raised against them to remove the preferred from their vocabularies.

And I still think this issue should be retitled to remove preferred from constant repetition, as it will continue to be off-putting to the long suffering folks who are particularly impacted by this issue.

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TallTed avatar TallTed commented on May 28, 2024 1

Avoid preferred. These are simply the person's pronouns.

I might suggest solid:userObjectPronoun, solid:userRelativePronoun, solid:userSubjectPronoun.

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VirginiaBalseiro avatar VirginiaBalseiro commented on May 28, 2024

^ that sounds good to me!

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TallTed avatar TallTed commented on May 28, 2024

(I suggest also changing the title of this issue, as there's no need to preserve the property names that will cause distress in some readers ... and even though the old title will remain visible, this change shows that we're moving in the right direction.)

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VirginiaBalseiro avatar VirginiaBalseiro commented on May 28, 2024

Some considerations though: SolidOS uses preferred for pronouns: https://github.com/SolidOS/solid-panes/blob/main/src/profile/profileFormText.ttl#L43

PodBrowser's shapes (just documentation at the moment, but possibly will be used in the future) also uses preferred. https://github.com/inrupt/pod-browser/blob/main/shapes/profile/person.shex

I can imagine preferred can be useful when an agent has more than one set of pronouns (i.e. she/her/hers, they/their/theirs).

I'd love to hear other opinions on this.

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VirginiaBalseiro avatar VirginiaBalseiro commented on May 28, 2024

Re: object, it refers to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_pronoun

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ThisIsMissEm avatar ThisIsMissEm commented on May 28, 2024

Yeah, wax just reading that, perhaps use "objectivePronoun" or "obliquePronoun" instead

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ThisIsMissEm avatar ThisIsMissEm commented on May 28, 2024

Also, you've all these:

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VirginiaBalseiro avatar VirginiaBalseiro commented on May 28, 2024

We could do:

  • solid:subjectPronoun
  • solid:possessivePronoun
  • solid:objectivePronoun

we don't need relative.

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