Stop instructing people to write plaintext passwords directly to env

[tiangolo]

Stop instructing people to write plaintext passwords directly to env

[rayrrr]

Thank you @tiangolo and everyone! Closing this out.

[rayrrr]

@tiangolo do you approve of this proposed change?

[tiangolo]

This tutorial ROCKS! [...]

I'm glad you like it!

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Requiring people to type their passwords inside a command, in the middle of it, makes it a bit harder to use directly, to copy and paste it, updating just the pieces custom to each user.

Also, the ADMIN_PASSWORD env var only persists during the current session. Once you log out of bash, it's not there anymore.

I think it's easier for more advanced users to modify the command live, like you did, to customize it to some specific requirements, than to force everyone to use some specific more complex instructions.

[rayrrr]

It's up to you, @tiangolo. One last attempt to get you to agree with my suggestion: god forbid anyone feels like it would make sense to run all this in a screen or tmux session. Then the plaintext password env var could persist for a loooooooong time.

[vlcinsky]

While understanding security concerns raised by @rayrrr I have to admit, the documentation is doing good job in explaining complex concepts in very straightforward way.

To me the existing (not perfectly secure, but easy to understand and reproduce) way of dealing with passwords in this documentation seems to be good choice.

One has to admit, that perfect solutions (totally secure, efficient etc.) are great concepts but not really reachable. If one attempts to write documentation for such perfect solution, it starts growing and probably never completes. Even if it completes, than it is likely to suffer from being too extensive and difficult to understand and use, not talking about growing difficulty to maintain it.

Personally, I think, that adopting these new technologies is very likely to contribute to overall solution quality. As soon as developers get used to that, they will have enough capacity to improve on more details such as not storing credentials in env. variables.

[rayrrr]

One more reason I brought this up in the first place: I'm going to use a boxing metaphor here. I was training once and a trainer came to me and said I was holding my guard up wrong; he showed me the right way and then said "you fight how you train." In other words, the practices you learn as a beginner are likely to stick around. This is among the reasons for my concern, since the tutorial just might be aimed at command-line-beginners. @vlcinsky I like your explanation of how to just store the hashed password in the env in #21, thanks!

[QuentinFAIDIDE]

Welll, you could ask people to write out their password directly before hashing, but that would be useless, the password still appear and persist in ~/.bash_history or ~./zsh_history with both methods.

[rayrrr]

@QuentinFAIDIDE not true; there are ways to do this that totally hide the input from stdin and thus any *history files as well. In fact, @vlcinsky wrote it up in such a way in #21. My vote is for that approach!

[QuentinFAIDIDE]

@rayrrr Sure, there are ways to hide stdin, you are right, and we should do just like #21 , but you wrote in OP as your alternative method:

export HASHED_PASSWORD=$(openssl passwd -apr1 typeyourpasswordhere)

So, using this line would definitely leak pwds to *history files. No need therefore to state that my statement is 'not true', since it's as true as 1 + 1 = 2.
My vote is with you though if you want to use your idea with issue #21 passwd mitigation. That would leave nothing in history or env variables as you mentioned.

[rayrrr]

Whoops, we meant stdout. And yes @QuentinFAIDIDE you are technically correct, all I was saying was that in #21 the typeyourpasswordhere part is left out and that way you are prompted for a password & confirmation in a "hidden" manner.

[tiangolo]

Thanks for the discussion here everyone! ☕

I added a note to the docs with @vlcinsky's alternative way to type passwords without putting them in an env var in: #42