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Discovered the Doubling Nz between plates halves C -> doubles V. This should not be occurring.
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Voltage responds properly to doubling Nz. When Nz is doubled, voltage is halved at each step. The "discovered doubling Nz results in halfs C" may be a product of the electric field being disproportionately high near the plate.
For example:
- for case of 500 elements in z direction between, max E_z value is 8E23
- while for case of 125 elements in z direction between, max E_z value is 5E22.
Perhaps this is a factor of currently setting the plate width to be zero, resulting in the plate only taking up one Z element point.
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Adding thickness did not make an effect on the exponential increase. This may be a case of the plates not having enough area.
Better illustration of exponential increase, the Y axis is logarithmic:
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Adding plate area does not fix the problem either; at a ratio of 1:100,000, d:sqrt(A) the same problem exists.
The problem is that as Nz increases, the number of elements in the extreme range as r - r' goes to zero increases - impacting the summation V = integral E dot dl.
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This is a product of discretization/numerics. Because the model requires the plate to have some thickness ( a minimum of Dz = Lz/Nz ) and the steps at which E is calculated are at intervals of Dz away - When z ~ (r_z - r'_z)
the Electric field explodes. By idea the model should be doing well in the center but breaking down towards the boundaries - like in fluid mechanics models.
There are two options to consider at this point:
- Increase the step size in z direction when calculating potential
- e.g., set plate_thickness = 0, double Nz, double steps in z per step
- this could keep
z >> (r_z - r'_z)
- Explicitly calculate V
- since we know we are dealing with finite objects
V = int rho(r') * dtau / |r - r'|
applies - V should be less sensitive to the discretization
- as we get closer to a charge the position we are at should "see" less charges
- the "blow up" should be much smaller
- E proportional to(r - r')/|(r - r')|^3
- V proportional to1/|(r - r')|
- since we know we are dealing with finite objects
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Option of increasing step size in z direction does not help. When both Nz and Z/step are doubled, the physical distance from plate to dl is constant. If they are not both doubled, then essentially we are simply manipulating Nz on its own.
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For setup of plate_lx = plate_ly = 4.9m and plate_seperation = 0.005, C = e_0*A/d = 4.24977E-8
N_xy | Nz | N_plate_thickness_1 | C_1 | N_plate_thickness_2 | C_2 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
100 | 100 | 1 | 6.9251 E-11 | 3 | 6.945 E-11 |
100 | 200 | 1 | 3.4188 E-11 | 3 | 3.439 E-11 |
100 | 400 | 1 | 1.6989 E-11 | n/a | n/a |
100 | 800 | 1 | 8.46 E-12 | n/a | n/a |
250 | 100 | 1 | 4.218 E-10 | n/a | n/a |
250 | 200 | 1 | 2.08 E-10 | n/a | n/a |
250 | 400 | 1 | 1.~ E-10 | n/a | n/a |
We can note that as Nz doubles, C is reduced by half.
We can also note that Nxy affects C.
More data at https://github.com/uladkasach/Finite-Capacitance/blob/master/z_dev_notes/issue_1/data_table.md
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Data at above mentioned table shows that this method will actually create accurate results, but only when the N_xy is large enough (~8k). At this scale, issue #2 shows up.
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Follow up demonstrating that Coefficient of Variance decreases as Nxy increases:
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