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narmstro2020 avatar narmstro2020 commented on September 7, 2024

I love the Java units library.

One of the barriers to entry I feel is writing a method that returns a type. That type is something like acceleration. The type signature for the method is Measure<Velocity<Velocity>>>.

This is a little inelegant and people will just look away and handle units in their own way. However this seems more to be due to the limitations of Java than anything else. Adding a unit for force and torque is fine, but a method returning this type would have a signature is ridiculous.

The library itself seems to have some issues separating Dimension, Unit, and Physical quantity.

Torque and Energy are two physical quantities, they are measured with the same dimension. That dimension can be captured in a variety of named units that are also characterized by a dimension. I feel like instead of Measure it should be more Measure. Each dimension should have its own list of units. Internally a dimension can either be a base dimension (like mass or current, or time, I'm going by the SI unit definition here) or a composite dimension like Nm or J/S. Under the hood every dimension is a product of these base dimensions, quotients being negative integer powers. Nm is just Mass * Distance * Distance * Second^-1 * Second^-1.

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WispySparks avatar WispySparks commented on September 7, 2024

I agree with the separation being confusing, for example the library has Power as its own sort of unit when it could be work/energy over time. Same thing with the torque units, I feel like it would be cleaner to have Torque be its own unit instead of deriving it from the other base units because it would become extremely cumbersome to define a method to take in or return some unit of torque.

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narmstro2020 avatar narmstro2020 commented on September 7, 2024

So every dimension in SI is built up of integer power of base units. One can remove the unit concept entirely from the picture and think in terms of dimension

Torque and Energy are measurable things.

A measurable thing has a dimension.

Units are when we go from dimension to measurements of those measurable things.

The main dimensions are time, mass, electric current, temperature, substance and luminous intensity.
I'd argue not using the last two. I can't imagine needing moles in FRC. Luminous intensity is possible, but could be expanded up later.

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PeterJohnson avatar PeterJohnson commented on September 7, 2024

The type signature for the method is Measure<Velocity>>.

You mean Measure<Velocity<Velocity<Distance>>>?

However this seems more to be due to the limitations of Java than anything else.

Yes, Java's type system is very limiting in what we can do for units. Unlike C++, there is no ability in Java to define type aliases like using Acceleration = Velocity<Velocity<Distance>> to simplify function signatures or the generic types in general, thus the proliferation of specific "units" that aren't really base units. The fact that generics are not reified in Java also is a limiter, so we can't just overload functions based on the generic type, or do things at runtime based on the generic type. This is compounded by the fact we do not want to use immutable values (thus the separation of Measure and MutableMeasure) due to memory allocation / GC concerns.

I feel like instead of Measure it should be more Measure.

I think something was lost here?

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