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thomasaugsten avatar thomasaugsten commented on August 21, 2024 3

We also give this information to the French colleagues.

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Ein-Tim avatar Ein-Tim commented on August 21, 2024 2

@ndegendogo & @larswmh All the CWA team can do in such cases is to relay this information to the team of the respective country. The CWA team itself doesn't have any influence on the rules of other countries.

There are multiple countries with out of date / erroneous / wrong rules.

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Ein-Tim avatar Ein-Tim commented on August 21, 2024 2

@ndegendogo

Sorry if my comment sounded like I think this issue is not suitable here! I actually think it's good that you reported it. I noticed many problems with the rules check & some Twitter users actually told me where the check is wrong, however, I never reported these issues in the last months, as it didn't seem related to the CWA itself.
But your issue is perfectly fine to stay here, although it should be moved to the documentation repo (@larswmh, could you do that please).

I will open a new issue in the documentation repo asking whether there is some sort of QA process reg. the travel validity check or similar.


cwa team can cross-check if the app is indeed using the latest policy rules from France (are these rules hard-coded? or dynamically loaded from a server? and does the server ensure to have the latest rules?)

FYI: You can cross-check yourself here: https://timokoenig.github.io/eu-dcc-rules/?ruleset=eu-dcc-rules&country=FR&rule=GR-FR-0000

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024 1

Thanks @Ein-Tim 👍

I had a look at your given link; and the whole topic of these country-specific business rules on the certificates seems quite complex 😵‍💫(and, tbh, a bit confusing 😅)

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thomasaugsten avatar thomasaugsten commented on August 21, 2024 1

France is already investigating this and has still the possibility to this checks depending on the visited countries of the user.

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024

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larswmh avatar larswmh commented on August 21, 2024

Thanks for your report @ndegendogo. We have created an internal ticket for it and will raise this topic internally.
Internal Tracking ID: EXPOSUREAPP-14307


Corona-Warn-App Open Source Team

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024

@Ein-Tim

  • cwa team can cross-check if the app is indeed using the latest policy rules from France (are these rules hard-coded? or dynamically loaded from a server? and does the server ensure to have the latest rules?)
  • if they think the French rules are wrong, they can report this to whoever is responsible to maintain these rules

I agree that currently nobody looks at the certificate (and hopefully the pandemy 🦠 will never again raise to such a level that this is needed! 👹) - but what is the worth of an European certificate if it is not accepted / well understood in all participating countries? 🤷

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MikeMcC399 avatar MikeMcC399 commented on August 21, 2024

The app checks are out of sync with the regulations.

https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/FRA/7001 says:

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thomasaugsten avatar thomasaugsten commented on August 21, 2024

France is using an external variable which is only available in the france app. We will inform France about the issue.

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MikeMcC399 avatar MikeMcC399 commented on August 21, 2024

If France no longer has any rules to apply (see https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/FRA/7001), then the French rules used in the app should be replaced by something like the Swiss rule:

https://timokoenig.github.io/eu-dcc-rules/?ruleset=eu-dcc-rules&country=CH&rule=GR-CH-0002

"EU/EFTA citizens and their family members, irrespective of their nationality, have rights of free movement. Entry to the country is currently possible without pandemic-related measures."

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024

Wow - thanks for investigating and taking action! 👍👍

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024

Can you tell / find out if France plans to make these missing "external variables" available to cwa in future?

Alternatively I would suggest that cwa policy rule engine should check for such missing external variables, and in that case regard the rules as "incomplete" - check not possible (like is currently done if no rule is available for a country, like Portugal).

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MikeMcC399 avatar MikeMcC399 commented on August 21, 2024
  • Since this is a general problem for multiple EU countries, I have opened a new issue #933.

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larswmh avatar larswmh commented on August 21, 2024

Thanks for your feedback. We have some news regarding this issue.
Business Rules are provided by the issuing country and not something we can fix in the CWA. As soon as the country provides the missing business rules, they will also fix the behavior in the app.

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thomasaugsten avatar thomasaugsten commented on August 21, 2024

Problem from France side should be fixed

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ndegendogo avatar ndegendogo commented on August 21, 2024

Tested - ok! Closing the ticket.

Thanks @thomasaugsten

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