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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

+1

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rachaelgallagher avatar rachaelgallagher commented on June 15, 2024

Top idea! How can we make it happen? What are you thinking here @bmaitner

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bmaitner avatar bmaitner commented on June 15, 2024

I think we just need to enlist the help of someone with some video skills. @audhalbritter has put together some excellent tutorial videos for trait pipelines in the past, I think she might have some good ideas! I think this could be very simple, perhaps just screen capture of someone going through the processs, perhaps with a voiceover explaining they're doing?

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rachaelgallagher avatar rachaelgallagher commented on June 15, 2024

OK - that sounds good. @audhalbritter do you have any ideas/tips?

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Yes, that sounds like a great idea! I'm thinking of something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhq_MbSwa-A&t=38s
But it would show a screen and somebody clicking through the process. And pop-up text explaining different steps. Which processes do you want a video for? Can you make a list? Then I can make video for one of them...

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

I much like the youtube example, because you can see humans in it. Makes me wonder whether we should treat the screen like the plant specimen label in the example @audhalbritter shared: instead of only showing the screen, also capture the surroundings (e.g., lab, office, person doing it). For what it's worth: I've recently used OBS Studio to combine webcam + screen cast (https://obsproject.com/).

The main processes:

  1. register as new member: someone request -> editor reviews -> editor adds new member record and welcomes new member
  2. register new dataset: same as 1. only with dataset record
  3. update existing member profile: edit existing member profile -> editor reviews -> editor merges changes and thanks contributor
  4. update existing dataset profile: same as 3. only with dataset profile.

1-2 are using github issue templates, while 3-4 are using github pull requests.

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Ok, I see. I think it should then be a combination of watching a person doing things and a close up from the screen to show the steps on the computer. For example, a person wants to register as a member. First you see the person, then some steps are shown where you only see the screen. Then you see the editor (= another person), who is reviewing and accepting. Then they shake hands and the editor welcomes the new member.
An alternative of having people would be to have simple drawings to make it a bit more interesting. I don't know how you would do this, but I can probably figure it out.

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Hi again, I just registered a fake person and recorded it. It works well and I can combine it with some shots from a real in front of a computer. Can I get admin/review rights just for these videos, otherwise one of you has to record the reviewing process.

And just delete whatever fake people and data I send...

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter Harry Potter isn't real? ; ) I'll hand you the keys to the kingdom in a minute.

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter please confirm you have access . . .

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Of course her is real, but not everybody knows that!
I'm not sure how to check if I have more rights now...

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Ah, now I got a confirmation by email... I think it works

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rachaelgallagher avatar rachaelgallagher commented on June 15, 2024

Thanks @audhalbritter there are so many strings to your bow... Harry Potter aficionado, web video star, trait wizard.... obs studio is great @jhpoelen - you are full of great advice!

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bmaitner avatar bmaitner commented on June 15, 2024

Thanks @audhalbritter there are so many strings to your bow... Harry Potter aficionado, web video star, trait wizard.... obs studio is great @jhpoelen - you are full of great advice!

+1 to both of those statements

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Haha, thanks a lot! Will work on some videos this week and send them to you...

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Does anybody of you @rachaelgallagher @bmaitner @jhpoelen have the opentrait logo in good quality?

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bmaitner avatar bmaitner commented on June 15, 2024

@phylosaurus ?

The only logo I have floating around is the this one

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Thanks!

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phylosaurus avatar phylosaurus commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter @bmaitner
Here you go! SVG file.
logo1.zip

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Thanks @phylosaurus!

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

What do you think about this? @bmaitner @jhpoelen @rachaelgallagher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxEf7QxtkNc&feature=youtu.be

I did not use real people. It seemed silly...

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bmaitner avatar bmaitner commented on June 15, 2024

Looks good to me! If everyone else is happy, I can tweet this out!

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter Just tried to have a look and youtube said: "this video has been removed by the user".

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rachaelgallagher avatar rachaelgallagher commented on June 15, 2024

I can see it @jhpoelen. Looks great @audhalbritter! Only issue is that you can also register via a link at the 'Members' tab. Does anyone think we need to acknowledge this?

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

Was able to watch the video now. Pretty cool! Big fan of kermit. What is he up to these days?

Hmm. We should probably update our landing/about page to point folks to the "contact" or "member" pages. The current (outdated) link to the _members/README.md is for editors that handle the OTN member / dataset registrations.

@audhalbritter would it be tricky to update video to include something like:

search -> opentraits.org -> member page -> click on "introduce yourself" -> register new member issue ?

If it's too time consuming I am ok to leave as is.

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Ok, that's not a big change. I'll try to do it tonight.

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

New version here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgVd-OHdZH4&feature=youtu.be

Is it ok to host them on my youtube channel? Or do you want a video file, or should we make an open trait youtube channel?

If you like the style of the video I can make the other tutorials as well. And if you have better ideas for music, let me know. The music is horrible, but it needs to be free and I did not want to spend hours searching for music :-)

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bmaitner avatar bmaitner commented on June 15, 2024

Actually, maybe making an Open Traits youtube channel wouldn't be a bad idea. Then we could feature tutorials, lectures, etc.

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter nice - thanks for making that update! I am glad Kermit still made the cut!

As far as channel goes: I can go either way. We can always move / re-organize videos around later if needed.

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rachaelgallagher avatar rachaelgallagher commented on June 15, 2024

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bmaitner avatar bmaitner commented on June 15, 2024

I've tweeted out a link to your video, @audhalbritter ! Perhaps one showing how to add datasets would also be useful?

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Ok, I'll try to make the other videos over the next couple of days...

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Hi again,
I've been a bit busy, so was not able to make more videos... I've now made an issue with a new data set. What would be the next steps that you want to see in the video?
Response from sb from the OpenTraits saying thanks, and what happens then?

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

How about . . .

  1. go to datasets page
  2. search (ctrl-F) for dragons
  3. select dataset page
  4. go to dataset url / download data

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

That sounds good for downloading data. And you mean the data set page on the opentrait webpage, right?

Maitner suggested also to make a video about how to add a data set. So what happens after somebody wants to add a data set and opens an issue and describes the data. Do you check it and then accept it? And how is the data added? Should I also show that?

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter apologies for delayed reply.

That sounds good for downloading data. And you mean the data set page on the opentrait webpage, right?

yep!

Maitner suggested also to make a video about how to add a data set. So what happens after somebody wants to add a data set and opens an issue and describes the data. Do you check it and then accept it? And how is the data added? Should I also show that?

I thought your start was excellent. The steps I suggested were to complete the cycle.

So, in summary something like: first register dataset by author, then review dataset by editor, then use dataset by collaborator. Hope this is inspiring, am curious what you make of it.

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Ok, I'm working on this now. The first part is done. But how do I accept a new data set, or how does the dragon data set get's on the open trait data set page? I closed the issue, but this did not do the trick. Do I have to accept it?

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter great to hear that you are making progress. To make the dataset appear on opentraits.org, you'll have to add a file to the _dataset/ directory with the dataset template it. For instructions, see https://github.com/open-traits-network/open-traits-network.github.io/tree/master/_datasets#readme .

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

@jhpoelen @bmaitner @rachaelgallagher here is the next video on how to submit a dataset.
Should I change to:
OTN editor reviews, asking for info if needed.
On approval, OTN editor creates a new dataset file

Anything you want differently?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6XLmQizY0g&feature=youtu.be

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phylosaurus avatar phylosaurus commented on June 15, 2024

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

@audhalbritter just watched it . . . looks great! thanks for creating the video.

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

No problem @phylosaurus I can use the one you sent earlier.

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rachaelgallagher avatar rachaelgallagher commented on June 15, 2024

Fantastic video! @audhalbritter Thanks so much. Sorry for the slow reply - I've been out in the field these last few weeks

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audhalbritter avatar audhalbritter commented on June 15, 2024

Updated video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtvIf3OnXRc

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jhpoelen avatar jhpoelen commented on June 15, 2024

Thanks to @audhalbritter for creating the videos on how to register members and datasets with the OTN.

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