Meaning of the pvalue column after diffSplice

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Meaning of the pvalue column after diffSplice

[EduEyras]

Hi Mike, If you use -m empirical, the p-value is an empirical p-value calculated by comparing the observed deltaPSI with the distribution of deltaPSIs between replicates for events with similar expression. You can use -gc to perform correction per gene: the p-values from all events of the same gene are correcting for multiple testing. This is a BH correction (if I recall correctly) and you can control the alpha as well with -al. This correction is less harsh than a BH correction with all p-values, which on the other hand would not be necessary since not all events are compared agains the same distributions. If you use -m classical, the p-value is a Mann-Whitney test p-value from comparing the distribution of PSI values for the same event between two groups of samples. It can also be paired. Let me know if this helps. Any suggestion will be most welcome. Best E.

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[mikelove]

Ah that's good to know. So there is not correction across genes, just within. Maybe suggest putting this statement in the docs, because users shouldn't expect FDR control across genes.

A few more suggestions: I think where you have family wise error rate in the docs, I think you should put something like "within-gene false discovery rate", because BH doesn't provide FWER control.

I think that you can drop alpha as an argument. It's not used by multipletests unless method='fdr_twostage':

https://github.com/statsmodels/statsmodels/blob/942fa69230944705f8072e9c338120455b7015a0/statsmodels/stats/multitest.py#L108-L109

I'm going to try out computing p-values per isoform, and then do my own aggregation. Interesting to know about the method differences also, I'll try out empirical vs classical.

[EduEyras]

Hi Mike,

Ah that's good to know. So there is not correction across genes, just within. Maybe suggest putting this statement in the docs, because users shouldn't expect FDR control across genes.

Thanks. We'll make this more clear.

A few more suggestions: I think where you have family wise error rate in the docs, I think you should put something like "within-gene false discovery rate", because BH doesn't provide FWER control.

I think that you can drop alpha as an argument. It's not used by

multipletests unless method='fdr_twostage': https://github.com/statsmodels/statsmodels/blob/ 942fa69230944705f8072e9c338120455b7015a0/statsmodels/stats/ multitest.py#L108-L109 Thanks for pointing this out. I'm going to try out computing p-values per isoform, and then do my own aggregation. Interesting to know about the method differences also, I'll try out empirical vs classical.

Let us know how it goes. I will be interested if you find a better way to handle the significance at isoform level. We generally see different behaviours between events and isoforms. Generally it is because PSI values seem less stable at isoform level across reps, so the uncertainty is higher. cheers E.

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