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Originally posted by Modelmat:
A #libraries channel for those creating a library and wanting help with the implementation.
This would provide help in the creation of a python libray, for instance the way a particular feature should be implemented or documentation format.
We used to have a tag called !ask which was designed to tell people the basics of how to ask a good question.
The problem was that we saw a lot of users abusing this tag. As soon as someone asked a less-than-perfect question in our community, other members would throw themselves at the keyboard to !ask that stupid user right in their stupid face.
This didn't harmonize well with the kind of culture we're trying to build, and so we decided (in https://github.com/python-discord/organisation/issues/270) to remove this tag from the bot.
Well, we might be open to reintroducing the tag (or a similar tag of a different name), but we need to do something to try to prevent it from being abused. If you'd like to have a go at this, this is the issue for you.
You need to solve the puzzle of how we can create a toxicity-proof version of this tag. Here are some ideas:
!ask is a pretty common tag to have on other support servers, and some of these communities may not share our emphasis on a toxicity-free environment. This means that some of our users may unwittingly be bringing some of their bad habits from other communities into ours. Maybe this can be remedied by simply renaming the tag to something else?I see some questions about external APIs somewhat regularly. It somewhat falls into the Web Development category, but I think perhaps a separate topic might be more appropriate?
Originally posted by Clayton Turner:
The iOS platform and others I'm sure use a non standard character for single and double quotiation marks. It appears the d.py rewrite system has implemented a fix for this, in one of the later versions, see here: https://github.com/Rapptz/discord.py/blob/rewrite/discord/ext/commands/view.py#L111.
Recommend updating d.py to the current version or extending the quotes in their ext.commands to the updated map.
!scopes command does not exist so Lemon told me to make an issue so that it could be added to the list.
I hope the following explanation is adequate. If it is not then feel free to re-write it.
Scopes
Variables can only reach the area in which they are defined, which is called scope. Think of it as the area of code where variables can be used. Python supports global variables (usable in the entire program) and local variables. By default, all variables declared in a function are local variables.
`a = 'hello
def main():
print(a)`
This will output the value of 'a' which is 'hello'. This works due to the fact that function can access the global scope which contains the variable 'a'.
`
a = 'hello'
def main():
a = 'bye'
main()
print(a)`
In this case the value outputted will be 'hello' as variables defined within the local scope and therefore we can not call their value from outside the function. The variable 'a' created inside the function may have the same name as a the variable outside but they are different. This can be proven by printing the memory locations which will be different.
Probably not the simplest explanation and could use refinement.
For inclusion on the resource page I would like to suggest the book "Think Python" by Allen B. Downey. It has a free license so you can download & contribute or buy the book. It has a stronger taste of informatics than other beginner books, which is a good thing in my opinion, because the more experienced and smart ones don't get bored so quickly. Due to the good structure of the content, the book is still accessible to beginners easily.
Originally posted by Kingsley McDonald:
i've half-seriously suggested this in the #meta channel once or twice, but now i feel like it should actually be considered. a #golfing channel would be an interesting addition, and the opinion of this in the server has generally been positive.
pros:
cons:
solutions to cons:
#meta, i feel like this channel will be fairly active.#devops and #security, if not more so.additional notes:
#meta feedback:
anyways, that's enough typing from me. brb, i gotta get this damned spider off my desk ^-^
After having a brief play around with JB's academy system built into their IDEs like PyCharm it's quite the awesome set of tutorials with interactive lessons straight in the IDE along with getting users used to the PyCharm system and think it would be something that any beginner could find helpful to get to grips with Python.
Originally posted by GitLab Support Bot:
Hey guys,
I know that there is the GitLab issue for feedback but my feedback is
mostly based around teammates and I didn’t wanna put them on blast
publicly.
I really liked the requirements and theme for this jam, I was not expecting
anything like this and it made me think really creatively (which is the
goal) on what to make. I haven’t looked at other groups’ projects too much
yet but from what I’ve seen they are all pretty varied.
For the next jam, I’d suggest finding a way to ask how committed people are
to this project. It’s currently Saturday and I’m the only one in my group
who has made a merge request. There is one that one of my teammates is
working on but it’s taking 2+ days longer than they expected which has put
my part on hold too. Our other teammate has only sent 2 messages in our
discord server since the event started. Other than participation in actual
coding, I was the only one to come up with an idea and asked the others
many times if they had other ideas that we could work off of.
I’m sorry if this sounds like a rant (I guess it kinda is) but I was hoping
for a collaborative experience. What actually happened was me doing all of
the work but with the slowdown of having to wait for my merge requests to
be accepted and communicating my ideas with the team. I’ve tried to step up
as leader and give opportunities to work on specific parts of the project
but it doesn’t seem like they really care to work on it (especially the one
who has just been offline the whole time).
I understand you can’t really fix this but maybe for future events either
ask about how much effort you want to put in, or emphasizing how much is
expected at signups.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, hopefully I’ll be there for the
next jam!
After a recent incident in #meta, I think it's probably a good idea to clarify our position on soliciting for DMs on server. A well-written and thought-out answer in the FAQ is probably better than an explanation we need to come with on the spot. I would do it personally, but writing stuff is not something I excel at, so hence this issue.
My position is:
Obviously, if people want to DM each other, that's okay, but that's not the same as posting a message not aimed at anyone with "Hey, please dm me for ".
Originally posted by Gareth Coles:
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Originally posted by Kingsley McDonald:
we already have an abundance of dedicated help channels on the server, but despite our best efforts, it is still inevitable that some of the questions asked will go unanswered. of course, this is mainly the result of having so many new learners in the server, but not enough channels to go around. it goes without saying that having so many channels looks quite unpleasant on the server.
the year is 2033. earth as we know it has been lost to the martians. the US finds itself without a president. canada has seceded from the americas and forged a new continent elsewhere. pydis just added #help-91.
all jokes aside, something needs to be done about this. i feel like we could benefit from having a special help channel (i'll refer to as #pending-help for now) which can be used almost like a ticket system, but not quite. if a staff member finds a question that has been lost behind another or hasn't been answered, they should copy the question (or take a screenshot) and post it into #pending-help. everyone should be able to view this channel, but only staff members should be given permissions to send messages to reduce the amount of clutter in there. if anyone finds a question in this channel, they should mention the asker in an available help channel so they can provide assistance. once the question has been answered, somebody should mention the staff member that posted it in the #pending-help to have it removed.
i'm absolutely terrible at explaining things, so here's a nice fancy list:
now, i'm not saying that this suggestion will be a complete solution to help channels wanting to "be fruitful and multiply," but I personally believe that it will at least allow for a better flow of questions through them. also, if somebody just wants something to do, they are able scroll through a bunch questions that are listed in #pending-help and answer wherever they can.
Zig (moderator) directed me here from #meta channel
I found two books on Python 3 from Springer's COVID-19 "giveaway", compressed and uploaded off-site in good faith (link removed by author) due to GitHub's 10MB attachment constraint. I took a look at the books and to me they feel like they can be of good use to people.
One of the most common questions in #python-general is what project one should do. This could be answered with a simple tag called !projects, just like !resources is used when people need help with getting started and !tools for questions about which IDE or editor they should use.
Just like other tags, this one could return a link to an article on the website with all relevant information.
This issue encompasses all user suggestions for off-topic channel names. Submitted names should be:
If you have a suggestion, leave a comment.
Originally posted by GitLab Support Bot:
Testing the ticketing system. Test test!
With the newly introduced help systems, the old command !free is no longer relevant.
However, there are will be users who get confused and may post questions in the in-use questions / ask how to and where to get help.
We can revamp the !free command to:
The basic idea here is to allow any user to easily contribute to a guide, making it easier to understand as time goes on. Topics that are difficult to grasp using official/existing documentation, like Tensorflow and Audio Manipulation, could easily be explained from just basic understanding of python.
Additionally, we could expand this by allowing .ipynb files to use bokeh, if this proves useful.
Possible guides:
struct module and applicances
The !eval command is an invaluable tool for providing live examples of Python syntax and should not be limited to the #bot-commands channel only for regular users. It is useful not only as a demonstration tool, but also as a means of quickly ensuring the advice you're giving is complete and accurate.
I propose that the command be enabled for everyone in the Python Help channels and the Topical Chat/Help channels, while keeping it reserved to privileged users in other channels.
Here: https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/master/bot/resources/tags/traceback.md
What:
• Identify the exception raised (e.g. ZeroDivisonError)
What it should be:
• Identify the exception raised (e.g. ZeroDivisionError)
Programming is a global language! As has been a discussion at least a few times in recent weeks, as the Pydis community grows there's a similarly growing desire to be able to provide Python help to those for whom English is not their first language and are not comfortable enough with it to be able to both adequately present their problem and to understand the help being provided. There have been at least a handful of recent instances where folks were able to quickly rectify their issue when working with someone who could communicate with them in a language they were more comfortable with.
I'd like to propose a framework for providing language-specific help for those who would benefit:
Because the primary barrier to providing support for languages other than English is one of adequate moderation, poll staff members (Helpers+) for those who would be interested in providing support and oversight in languages other than English.
Create an International Help channel category. If sufficient support is available for a given language (defined...somehow), open a #help-lang channel for that language, functioning more or less identically to the current help channels.
Originally posted by xedre:
With the new nice gradient between Owners, Admins, Moderators and Helpers it would be nice if Subreddit Moderators, Partners and Streamers had the same direction of gradient too.
Currently staff roles go from darkest to brightest while others go from lightest to darkest.
💙
Just wanted to field some thoughts about topical frequently asked questions. Two options I thought where this page could exist:
For context, I was recently asked the "Flask or Django, which should I use?" question, and I recall seeing this already asked on other general help channels multiple times. I thought it would be great if questions like that had a page we can point people to that:
The current FAQ page is quite general which is great for someone just starting. Extending this FAQ format would work, and having it on a new page would not crowd the existing FAQ.
The resources page could be a suitable candidate to add a section to, and I can see it fitting the style and context of existing resources!
I know other languages channels have been declined multiple times, but I have one concept that may work: 4th OT channel, prefixed with lang- and then programming language. This language should change every day and during one language session, only talking about this language is allowed. This shouldn't just these big, most used languages, but smallers too. This will help peoples exploring more languages about what they maybe never knew before. Every time when language change, bot should send message to channel that contains short information about language, logo and hello world example.
There seems to be a fear that allowing reactions could allow users to discreetly disturb others, or meaning a great deal of extra work for the moderation team. It makes sense that reactions are not allowed on very active channels. However, could we enable reactions for #python-language?
I doubt the new #python-language channel will be used as frequently as the really active channels like the help channels, so just like with #careers and #meta, helpers/mods/admins would quickly notice if someone is abusing reactions, so it shouldn't be a nightmare to deal with like it would be in a help channel.
Originally posted by Gareth Coles:
This is a suggestion that a bunch of people have brought up, with a whole bunch of reasons. This issue exists in order to keep track of this particular suggestion, and to encompass the reasoning from both sides.
#off-topic - having somewhere sectioned off for it might help with that problemThat's all I could come up with, feel free to comment if you have more.
Through experience with servers that do have this type of channel, I can make the following observations:
Additionally, we came up with the following ourselves:
Originally posted by surister:
Would be awesome if !user could also display information like:
It'd add more recognition to users that participate in the community matters.
I'd like to recommend a "possible issue" to add to the site at https://pythondiscord.com/pages/contributing/docker/#possible-issues. Windows users who are new to Docker and just getting it running for the first time will likely encounter an error when trying to use the docker-compose up command.
This error is caused by drive sharing not being configured in Docker's settings, and the error output will be something like: ERROR: for bot_bot_1 Cannot create container for service bot: b'Drive has not been shared'.
If this suggestion is approved, I'd like to attempt to implement it. I'll be happy to provide instructions on configuring drive sharing, including screenshots, etc.
Thanks!
Originally posted by Alexandre MOEVI:
I've thought it would be a good addition to have a channel about IDEs. Basically this channel would :
However, we need to think about the possible flame wars "My favorite IDE" vs "Your favorite IDE" that could happen in this chan.
Some of the libraries used in data science are also used in computational science. However, in computational science one might use Python to create simulation of some real-world phenomena, this might requires writing numerical methods to solve ODEs and PDEs or maybe linear system of equations (in other words, these libraries are used for different purposes than data science, for example see Programming for Computations - Python).
There are many numerical methods written in FORTRAN already, so it's logical to access FORTRAN code from Python (in this case f2py module would become important) and exploit the features of both programming languages (OOP Paradigm in Python and the computational efficiency of FORTRAN).
These reasons might be not enough to open a new channel, but is it possible to have a topical chat dedicated to computational science and numerical methods? Because the data-science channel might not be the appropriate channel for these topics.
I have a small, but as I think pretty useful Telegram channel where I post news, changelogs, cool open-source projects, and so on. I think that some people will find it pretty useful, so I want to share it in this community.
I'm creating this ticket with the advice of @dementati. As I understand this is how the community decides if a link can be posted on the official page.
If the publication of this link is not possible, then I apologize for this issue.
I dunno about you guys but
the default text seems extremely low contrast with the background. Even with new monitors I don't find it great.
From highlight.js' available styles (demos), better options than solarized to me, include: Atom One Dark, Gruvbox Dark, Kimbie Dark, Railscasts, Vs 2015. For a favourite I would pick Gruvbox. But any with some colours that pop a bit better and have better contrast of their text over the background colour.
I'd like to recommend adding SoloLearn's Python 3 course to the Interactive Learning list.
https://www.sololearn.com/Course/Python/
It has exercises and quizzes and is similar to codecademy, except it's free. It also has a free mobile app so people can learn on their phones.
It covers
I personally would feel like it would be nice to include some more roles obtainable by the general users. I do not suggest adding alot of roles making the whole thing a clutter but instead adding a few roles with meaning and value that users can obtain by meeting certain demands.
This would add a sense of inclusion in the server and being able to stand out from those that are new or maybe just read the chats but never engages in them.
Exactly how this would be implemented and what requirements the roles would have, needs to be discussed further.
A example of a role that could be implemented would be,
"Python Enthusiast"
Color: Will be decided on implementation
Requirements: Post a minimum of 10 posts/day during a period of 30 days without any break in #python-discussion.
This is only an example of how it might look.
I am not suggesting that you start implementing roles left and right without consideration but make only a few (1-2) with a meaning behind it and a value of getting it, and in the future you might add another one based on user demand or whatever.
Originally posted by sco1:
In light of today's trojan upload to #show-your-projects I'd like to propose that, for security reasons, *.exe uploads automatically be deleted by Python, with an accompanying request that the source be provided instead.
For context:
Hey guys
Us being the hottest community on the internet, we should be kinda more active around.I mean youtube n stuff.We can start tutorials on youtube.I think it can really work out.For example discord.py, there are already quite a few tutorials for it but we can make a series like fun stuff/commands/features with discord.py.All the issues we work on(feature issues)(good features and more used), we can make videos on how to code that feature in d.py.
May not be d.py, can be anything
we members here can record while working on a feature and send it to the owner of the youtube channel and he can post it after having a look at it and making changes n stuff
what do you guys think?
maybe u can involve the community and also show some good projects which are being posted in #show-your-projects.
What do you guys think?
With the introduction of #how-to-get-help - we can safely update the content of the !free tag, right now the content is this:
Let's include the id of the #how-to-get-help into the tag
The tag can be found here:
https://github.com/python-discord/bot/blob/master/bot/resources/tags/free.md
Originally posted by Gareth Coles:
This was suggested to me by MIYAGIMO#0343 via DM, and it sounded like a solid enough idea. Here's what they said:
As you know this Discord group is filled with people not only here to learn from very experienced pros in the field but want pointers on how to break into the field from a interview perspective
is that something that could be useful?
Sometimes I get tempted asking about interviewing skills and the sort on one of the help channels but dont feel comfortable disrupting some of the technical convos that goes on in there
Essentially, this would be a channel for people to discuss professional Python work and what's expected in a career of that type. It would not be a place to post job listings.
Since it comes up fairly often, it would be nice to include a list of some popular VPS providers, along with some basic info.
Info could possibly include:
This should also get a tag that links to the relevant section of the Resources page.
With the compact mode enabled, the starting line continues inline after the nick, making the first item in the message's list enabled.
This can be solved by adding some whitespace like the zero width space (U+200b) and a newline after it, however it will also add an empty line when viewed using the cozy mode
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Hey staff,
Lemon has already told me that the bot is under 'lockdown' and is not currently having features added to it but I wanted to suggest one for the future.
In channels such as seasonalbot chat I believe we should have the ability to run the command !issue <#number> and the bot posts the link to the issue. The reason for this is that often we are talking about some ideas or a specific issue or several interlinking issues and we have to stop talking to find the link of it and post it in the channel. Most people know the number of the issue they are working on and this command would help to streamline the process of referencing different issues/tasks.
Just a suggestion, not sure if this is something you guys want to implement.
Many thanks,
Rohan
Originally posted by sco1:
The 2018 Advent of Code is almost upon us! I've found the daily challenges to be a fun way to learn and practice some fundamental programming concepts. Searching the logs I don't see much historical traffic for it so I'd like to solicit interest in a few related things for the event moving forward:
!t AoC:https://adventofcode.com/
**What is Advent of Code?**
Advent of Code (AoC) is an series of small programming puzzles for a variety of skill levels, run every year during the month of December. They are self-contained and are just as appropriate for an expert who wants to stay sharp as they are for a beginner who is just learning to code. Each puzzle calls upon different skills and has two parts that build on a theme.
** How can I join AoC?**
AoC utilizes the following services' OAuth to create an AOC account: GitHub, Google, Twitter, and Reddit.
**Join our private leaderboard!**
Head over to https://adventofcode.com/leaderboard/private with code `code-here`
Getting a star first is worth 100 points, second is 99, and so on down to 1 point at 100th place.
**Discuss the Challenges**
#advent-of-code
A (seasonal?) #advent-of-code channel(s?) in the Events category for folks to discuss the challenge, get advice on solutions, and see how other folks have been solving the challenges. Help with coding would still be guided to the help channels.
A general server announcement as the challenge approaches, when it begins, and when AoC is about to formally come to a close.
A yearly Python Discord private leaderboard. In addition to the public leaderboard of the top 100 challenge solvers, AoC offers private leaderboards for a bit of friendly competition between members of a community. Users can be part of multiple private leaderboards, and joining is as simple as entering an alphanumeric code on the private leaderboard page when logged in.
Server role granted to the member at the top of the leaderboard at the conclusion of AoC.
We are moving the tags into the bot repo - see this issue:
python-discord/bot#777
Once this issue has been solved, please delete the tags from this repo.
Rephrased by @gdude2002 - for ease of reading
Hello,
I've come here due to a misunderstanding around the server's moderation policy, which I feel needs to be changed. For example: I've been muted for advising moderators to moderate on some subjects - such as off-topic discussion.
I ended up getting a infraction on a subject not explicitly covered by the rules or enforcement guidelines. Here's my advice: Either...
If you like, I could write something up for you.
Thanks,
Nenrikido
Original
Hello,
I come here because of some misunderstanding on the policies which i find, need to be changed.
I've been for example muted for advicing moderator to moderate on some subjects like offtopic.
So i got a sanction on something not explicitely said in the policies or on an enforcing of those policies.
What i advice is : Either add some sentences to say that some rules can be reviewed by the staff according to need (and also that the rules aren't ended to be written).
Or say explicitely how staff can handle those kind of issues.
If u want i can tell how and where i'd write it in the policies.
Cordially,
Nenrikido
Explaining the REPL is a common occurrence for helpers. This issue proposes adding a repl tag that contains a succinct explanation of the REPL.
Commands: !tags repl, !repl
Got an image? Think it should be an emoji?
Drop any emoji suggestions in this ticket with the image attached and we'll consider adding it to our server!
Your suggestions must follow the guidelines below:
If we have questions for beginner,intermediate and advance level programmers in our resource page then it will be great.
Hiya,
I create https://edublocks.org which is a popular program for beginners/young people to learn Python through blocks.
It might be something you'd like to add to your list on the website!
Originally posted by Adam:
As many of you know, I really struggle to understand docs. Their language is very neutral and professional, usually with minimal amounts of coded examples. So all I see are python classes with parameters I have no idea how to implement or use, as they generally different depending on use case.
Example No 1 - Discord.py rewrites Proxy feature:
https://sharpweb.me.uk/i/kym84.png
For people who use the cogs version of discord.py, The idea of using client is never really there. There are no examples of how to implement this into your code, and you are never told where to implement its parameters.
Example No 2 - FBchat module modelshttps://sharpweb.me.uk/i/mkvfq.png As a first project for me, reading these docs was hours upon hours of me smashing my head into a monitor trying to figure out what the hell it meant. Themodels` feature.
The code client.fetchGroupInfo() shown here (https://sharpweb.me.uk/i/iyhh6.png) Was very hard for me to understand at the time, the point I missed being what it returns.
Example No 3 - Imgur HTTP API
https://sharpweb.me.uk/i/4ss1o.png
Although not python, I was planning on using this as part of my Discord bot, but with no previous experience on this, it was a nightmare. Showing the python version of this just shows a dict, no use-case or code examples that will actually return a result.
Looking at the https://docs.aiohttp.org/en/stable/client_quickstart.html#make-a-request page definitely makes it a lot clearer on how to use aiohttp, and is actually one of the best examples in a doc I've seen
My Suggestions
My first examples with docs were a terrible experience, and has made me scared to touch them ever since, so I have avoided them completely. If my first experience with docs had been better, I think i would have done a lot better.
If a beginners project page is ever created, good example docs would be one of the best things you could add. Showing at least one function from every class in the docs would make it so much easier for beginners to implement into their own code.
Tips of what to read in a doc. For example what it returns, which is a important thing I looked over as a beginner.
Overall
I have exposed myself as pretty stupid in this post, but I feel like I am not the only one that has had problems like this with Docs, and would love for a better way to get started with them 😄
Sharp
There should one more channel in Development category: #dev-announcements. This should have following automatic things:
Fields that summaries should have:
This channel should announcement channel so everyone can subscribe.
React
A declarative, efficient, and flexible JavaScript library for building user interfaces.
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Typescript
TypeScript is a superset of JavaScript that compiles to clean JavaScript output.
An Open Source Machine Learning Framework for Everyone
Django
The Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines.
Laravel
A PHP framework for web artisans
Bring data to life with SVG, Canvas and HTML. 📊📈🎉
JavaScript (JS) is a lightweight interpreted programming language with first-class functions.
Some thing interesting about web. New door for the world.
A server is a program made to process requests and deliver data to clients.
Machine learning is a way of modeling and interpreting data that allows a piece of software to respond intelligently.
Some thing interesting about visualization, use data art
Some thing interesting about game, make everyone happy.
Facebook
We are working to build community through open source technology. NB: members must have two-factor auth.
Microsoft
Open source projects and samples from Microsoft.
Google
Google ❤️ Open Source for everyone.
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Alibaba Open Source for everyone
D3
Data-Driven Documents codes.
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China tencent open source team.
